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ShannonA
05-22-2007, 10:30 PM
I recently finished reading Swords against the Shadowland, which was the posthumous continuation of Fritz Leiber's Fafhrd & Gray Mouser stories written by Robin Bailey and put out by White Wolf about a decade ago.

(It'd been sitting on my shelf unread for those intervening 9 years.)

Sadly, I was disappointed. The writing was good enough, and she seemed to capture the style of both the two protagonists and Leiber's stories. However, the story really never gripped me. I don't even know if that was her fault or not since I haven't read Leiber's originals in quite some time, and I could easily find them fallen out of favor.

What annoyed me most, however was (and this is a spoiler, but a relatively minor one) the poor continuity of the books. As I was reading it I was feeling like Fafhrd & Gray Mouser were meeting people that they shouldn't have known yet and dealing with problems that they'd have to deal with again ... but I wasn't really sure since it had been so long since I'd read them. But sure enough, at the end of the story Fafhrd & Gray Mouser are given a draught of forgetfulness allowing them to "reboot" and meet characters for the first time and deal with certain issues all over again in Leiber's own stories. Which is just such a gross disregard for continuity that it makes me wonder, "Why bother?"

As far as I know, Bailey never wrote any other books, because White Wolf got out of the fiction publishing business.

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So I was trying to figure out if there have been any successful post-humous continuations.

The Dune continuations I find adequate as science-fiction novels
and atrocious as Dune books because the authors are so far off the style. Maybe I was just influenced by knowing what else Anderson had written, but his Dune books read like Star Wars. I've only read the first three, I should note.

The three Foundation continuations were quite good. The authors didn't capture Asimov's style, and I think they wrote things he wouldn't have, but they were all (Bear, Benford, and Brin) good enough writers that what came out was worth reading. So I guess that's the one success of this batch. Kind of.

The Amber continuations are OK. I feel like the author has captured the style of the books, and his stories are interesting, but he's also unfortunately clearly a lesser writer than Zelazny was.

Everyone in the world derides August Derleth for the post-humous work he did on H.P. Lovecraft's stories. Here because he totally failed to understand Lovecraft's mythology and worldview.

Has anyone actually managed to catch another writer's genie in a bottle well?

The Fiendish Dr. Samsara
05-24-2007, 01:56 AM
I recently finished reading Swords against the Shadowland, which was the posthumous continuation of Fritz Leiber's Fafhrd & Gray Mouser stories written by Robin Bailey and put out by White Wolf about a decade ago.

(It'd been sitting on my shelf unread for those intervening 9 years.)

Sadly, I was disappointed. The writing was good enough, and she seemed to capture the style of both the two protagonists and Leiber's stories. However, the story really never gripped me. I don't even know if that was her fault or not since I haven't read Leiber's originals in quite some time, and I could easily find them fallen out of favor.

I'm almost finished with the book, which I bought accidentally (stupid Dr.). At first, I was really pleasantly surprised and there are some nice bits in it. I actually even liked the more serious tone of certain sections: the serving girl killing herself in front of Fafhrd was more Moorcock than Leiber, but I liked it.

However, it definitely lacks a certain snap to it. And is beginning to drag. While the characterizations and dialog are generally reasonable pastiche of Leiber, the adventurous two are inexplicably concerned with other people's welfare. Most egregiously, however, Bailey has the Grey Mouser say, after a bout of drinking, "I got to pee." That, right there, causes the book to lose.

What annoyed me most, however was (and this is a spoiler, but a relatively minor one) the poor continuity of the books. As I was reading it I was feeling like Fafhrd & Gray Mouser were meeting people that they shouldn't have known yet and dealing with problems that they'd have to deal with again ... but I wasn't really sure since it had been so long since I'd read them. But sure enough, at the end of the story Fafhrd & Gray Mouser are given a draught of forgetfulness allowing them to "reboot" and meet characters for the first time and deal with certain issues all over again in Leiber's own stories. Which is just such a gross disregard for continuity that it makes me wonder, "Why bother?"

Ah, nuts. I feared that.

So I was trying to figure out if there have been any successful post-humous continuations.

Not that I can think of. The post-Zelazny Donnerjack strated out very promisingly, but ended a mess.